I hope you are correct. If not, the chance is gone, and it would take only 3-4 seconds to insert the sentence, hardly causing a lack of "focus," Simon.
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Spokes person needed for Silentlambs in Seattle
by Trauma_Hound inas you may all know already, bill wants to hold a press conference in 10 cities across the us next thrusday.
i have volunteered to get press releases out to the media, and my contacts within the media.
even though i do have a background in television, and have actually done on air talent, i don't think i'm a good canidate to be the spokes person, i really don't want to scare people, honestly i look like a biker.
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The WT "Pedo-Files" Who can open them?
by Eric inthe silentlambs and barbara anderson say there are 23,000 files at wbts brooklyn headquarters of jw pedophilic activity or reports of pedophilic activity.. j.r. brown, wbts spokesman allows that such files exist but says the number of files is much smaller than that, but never says how many there actually may be.. j.r. brown says the files may also contain mere reports of sexual activity between minors.
in that case there may be a file with my name on it, as i confessed to a judicial committee of elders of sexual activity at age 15.. j.r. brown says there is no directive or restriction in place prohibiting a jw from going to the police or other legal authorities to seek an investigation into a report of pedophilic abuse or activity.. if j.r. brown means what he says, then there should be no problem in opening these files up to a proper investigative authority with the intent of seeking legal justice.. so, who is such a legal authority?
the brooklyn district attorney's office?
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nancee park
The 23,000 are for the U.S. and the U.K. Add in the other nations and it is larger. I believe you will need to ask a lawyer about getting access to your file, not us who are not lawyers, and wish you success.
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Spokes person needed for Silentlambs in Seattle
by Trauma_Hound inas you may all know already, bill wants to hold a press conference in 10 cities across the us next thrusday.
i have volunteered to get press releases out to the media, and my contacts within the media.
even though i do have a background in television, and have actually done on air talent, i don't think i'm a good canidate to be the spokes person, i really don't want to scare people, honestly i look like a biker.
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nancee park
I'm sure women spokespeople are fine, even though not I'm sure not Bill. Deborah was a "judge" who helped Israel, Phoebe was a "minister/deaconness" (that's right, read Romans 16:1), and Esther saved the whole Jewish race. Bill's wife has spoken up, so has Barb Anderson, so are and shall other women. This is a horrible tragedy impacting both males and females, though of the two females are especially being victimized by men who are often congregation elders and ministerial servants!
Lady's, step forward, please! The women telling the real truth are indeed a "large army!"
Also while focusing on the pedophile issue you might just happen to slip in "the Watchtower Society have also misled adults on other matters such as with their being a Non-Government Organization in the United Nations for ten years though preaching against the U.N.!"
Edited by - nancee park on 31 August 2002 23:43:22
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STRATERGY FOR DISFELLOWSHIPPED ONES
by minimus inone thing that i've learned within the last couple of years, is that there is power here.
the exposing of the united nations connection was huge.
the pedophile problem in the organization is known because certain people got out and did something about it.
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Soften them up by informing them. I'm [email protected]:
INFORMING OUR JEHOVAH'S WITNESS LOVED ONES OF THE SECRET U.N. LIASON, PEDOPHILE COVERUPS ETC: There are many nice Jehovah's Witnesses (JWs) but the Governing Body of the Watchtower Society (WTS) over those of us who are JWs, and also the local WTS elders who must do as told by them, cover up child molestation and let JW pedophiles go door-to-door as proved at http://www.silentlambs.org or phone toll-free 1 877-WT-ABUSE. And this shows a UK elder handcuffed for prison because a pedophile:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/england/newsid_2123000/2123546.stm
WTS leaks state that over 23,000 JW pedophiles are on file at WTS Bethel headquarters in Brooklyn, New York (USA), most unrevealed to police despite Romans 13:1. That at least one pedophile was on the Governing Body of the WTS in the 1980s if not now also is documented:
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=5466&site=3
ConvictedMinisterial Servant/Elder pedophiles include Gregory Blackstone at Hollis, New
Hampshire; Larry Baker at Augusta, Maine; Tim Gardner at Richmond, Missouri;
Manual Beliz at Othello, WA; others in the UK, France, Norway, Australia etcWTS Awake and Watchtower magazines and elders say God opposes the UN but, until
exposed, in 1991-2001 the WTS was secretly a formal U.N. associate not just to use the U.N.'s library as proved if you read the Nov 22, 1998 Awake magazine and use Search at the top at jehovahs-witness.org with "UN" or "U.N." Besides, the U.N. does not even require a group to become an official associate group in order to get a card to use its library! After this was publicized on the internet the official U.N. ties were cut but not all unofficial ties: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=34436&site=3Christ said families would be split by those doing right and those doing wrong but WTS has formal Judicial Committees destroying families via numerous formal renderings of disfellowshipment (severe shunning). 1 Cor 6:1 only says judge "trivial" things as in business, James 2:4-13 calls judging harmful, and Paul says the "majority" (2 Cor 2:6) followed his advice to shun a wrongdoer, meaning a Minority chose not to and yet he nowhere condemns them.
Acts 15:20 says abstain from blood but 1 Sam 14:32-5 says Saul's army ate unBLED meat to not starve and no verses show God not forgiving them. Christ says God also forgave David's eating temple holy bread and that God wants Mercy Not Sacrifice. (Mt 12) The May 22, 1994 Awake tells of 26 JW kids who died without transfusions, and by common sense in massive bleeding as in car wrecks blood expanders won't save lives http://www.ajwrb.org. About 3 JWs die daily earthwide from the unscriptural policy! (Blood On The Altar by David Reed) Yet most normal identical twins transfuse whole blood to each other through a
shared placenta and childrens' whole blood is sometimes found in mothers years
after birth.WTS says Christ was likely born about Oct 2, so why ignore counting back 9 months for normal conception or genetic-level birth means he was born in late December? Why insist Christmas is from the pagan Saturnalia when John 10:22-3 says Christ also celebrated the Festival of Dedication or Lights, i.e. Hannukah, which first began Dec 25 but has varied since because lunar-based? Job 1:3, 3:1-3 show Job's kids celebrated birthdays if you read all 3 verses to see day of birth is meant. At Luke 2 angels themselves celebrated Christ's
birth. Santa is from Saint Nicholas, an actual red-robed Christian gift-giving elder of the Middle Ages, not a wizard or pagan god. The word Easter may as easily be from the Anglo-Saxon word eastern (Christianity came from East of England) as from the goddess Eastre, the eggs as likely from the Jewish passover egg as from paganry, common sense saying early Christians more likely using eggs and rabbits to symbolize the hope for new life by resurrection than as vesiges of pagan fertility or sex rites!Halloween came from All Hallows (Holy Ones/Saints) Evening when parents had children dress as saints to encourage them to be good, the normally harmless pranks coming from Ireland where maybe or maybe not taken from pagans even as wedding rings, names of days, months, some Christian names in the Bible like Apollos and Jason also came from pagans. Why does the WTS call compromises holidays that attacked and replaced paganisms especially since Colossians 2:16 says let none judge you about a holiday or Sabbaths? WTS calls a cross a repugnant murder weapon but Paul said boast in it as a symbol of resurrection over death. (Ga 6:14, 1Cor 1:17-18) They say it was a stake but human remains and inscriptions show archaeologists the stauros was a cross not stake, Dr F Zugibe's research shows suffocation would be in minutes if on a stake but inhours if on outstretched cross per Lu 23:44 and Mat 27:45-6, and the word stauros can mean not just stake but cross.
Although almost only the United Pentecostals teach that Jesus is God Almighty (Jehovah) Himself, WTS says the Trinity is believing Father, Son, Spirit are one "identical" person and falsely say most all Protestant and Catholic churches teach that, even though the fact is that most all other Protestant and Catholic groups accept the trinity idea as being three totally different entities or persons forming one "Godship" (Ro 1:20), Son and Spirit sharing
inherited age, power, knowledge from God just as an acorn may be only one day old but also have its genes inheriting its ancestral oak tree's age, capacity and information!Members are told report on each other although the Bible condemns busy-bodying. Nor are regular JWs allowed to read Judicial Committee "sin files" on themselves, many not knowing they exist often with misinformation and kept at Brooklyn's Bethel headquarters even if destroyed locally after seven years. Page 232 in the Insight book shows a picture of the Pay Attention To Yourselves And All The Flock book that elders have but do not allow non-elders to read. Page 302 in the Daniel book and pages 88 and 651 in the Proclaimers book show photos of the Knights Templar swords and the cross-with-crown-and-wreath used by Masons who sometimes use "Theocratic Warfare" tactics to change members'
personalities on early WTS literature. Not surprisingly with the pedophile and other scandals, many good JWs have also complained of visual and electronic spying and harassment, including physically! Some old WT books also have the winged sun god Ra on front covers - never a Christian symbol.Many Jehovah's Witnesses who stay JWs but know the above are cutting time and money given the WTS which is declared "apostate" by silentlambs.org for endangering children, the secret U.N. liason etc. Many exJWs meet for fun (http://exjw.meetup.com/), get a newsletter from a fellowship united by love which is greater than forced same beliefs (Col 3:14, http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jahchristian/), join a church etc. This was written out of love for our JW families and friends as well as the public's - yours too! Please help out silentlambs.org (1 877-WT-ABUSE) in fighting for the children by making and distributing more copies today!
Edited by - nancee park on 31 August 2002 15:13:4
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Why Jehovah is not using the GB
by Omega Man inthis is why i have a problem believing jehovah is using the gb.
1) 1914 - some would still be alive when jehovah brings the end - this has changed.
2) within our 20th century jehovah will begin the end of the system of things...p.s we are now in the 21st century.
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The Gov Body is apostate, having joined the U.N. as a Non-Government Organization and stayed in it 10 years till 2001, keeping this secret from most members, and now having withdrawn officially though not necessarily even now full "unofficially" after exposed on the internet. Their saying they were in the U.N. to have a library card for the U.N. library to do research is easily seen through, for they had Watchtower reps to use the NGO status to get invitations to sit on U.N. Human Rights Commissions and other U.N. benefits that accrued such as diplomatic mission passes. Just wait until the regular JWs find out. This and the child rape exposure and other things point to the fact that they are apostates.
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Spanish - Anyone? Need some Help....
by Adonai438 inmy husband has a new co-worker that has struck up conversation with him regarding jws.. she is a jw and knows he's a christian and is trying to talk with him.
no problem right?
my husband and i have been ministering to jws for 7 years now and this shouldn't be a problem-- .
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This is in Spanish then also in English, and it will tell any JW the real truth about the holidays. Tell me if you need more on other topics at [email protected] :
"HALLOWEEN" Y OTROS DIAS DE CELEBRACION: Halloween, similar al dia de los muertos en Latinoamerica, vino de la Tarde de Todos los Santificado, es decir la tarde cuando los padres dieron la ropas a los nios para que ellos pudieron resemblar como santos para animarles a que sean mas buenos personas, los "pranks" normalmente inofensivos viniendo de Irlanda donde pueden o pudieron no haber venido de paganos incluso es correcto tocante a los anillos de bodas, nombres de los das, meses, algunos nombres cristianos en la biblia como Apollos y Jason que tambin vininieron de paganos. Las personas opuestas a la Navidad admiten a veces que Cristo probablemente fue nacido el 2 de octubre, pero porque porqu ellos no hacen caso de si una persona conta detrs 9 meses para el concepto normal o el nacimiento genetico de Jesucristo llega al ltimo de diciembre? Por qu insista Navidad es del Saturnalia pagano cuando Juan 10:22-3 dice que Cristo tambin celebr el festival del esmero o de las luces, es decir Hannukah, que a la primera vez comenz Diciembre 25 pero ha variado hasta hoy porque sta basado en el calendario lunar? Job 1:3, 3:1-3 muestra que los ninos de Job celebr cumpleaos si usted lea los tres versos para ver la fecha de nacimiento esta significado. En Lucas 2 los ngeles mismos celebraron el nacimiento de Cristo. Santa Claus es de Santo Nicholas, una anciano que donaba regalos y tuvo robas rojas y blancas durante las Edades Medias, no de un mago o dios pagano.
La palabra Pascua es Easter en ingles y su origen inglesa se puede ser tambien de la palabra anglosajona para el Oriente que es East en ingles, y el cristianismo vino del Oriente a Inglaterra. Es incorrecto decir que vino definidamente del nombre de la diosa pagana nombrado Eastre. Los huevos possiblemente vinieron del huevo judo de la Pascua (Passover en ingles) no necesario de los paganos. Los huevos y los conejos que usan durante Pascua/Easter ms probablemente fueron usado por los cristianos tempranos para simbolizar la esperanza de la nueva vida por el resurrection, con menos posibilidad que vinieron de vesiges de rites paganismos para la fertilidad o de practicas sexuales! Por qu dicen los oposadores que das de fiesta son compromisos terribles cuando de hecho atacaron y substituyeron en lugar de los paganismos, especialmente puesto que Colossenses 2:16 dice no dej ninguno juzgarle a Uds. alrededor de un da de fiesta o un sabado? Galatias 5:22 dice que uno de las frutas del Espiritu Santa es la goza.
HALLOWEEN AND OTHER HOLIDAYS: Halloween came from All Hallows (Holy Ones/Saints) Evening when parents had children dress as saints to encourage them to be good, the normally harmless pranks coming from Ireland where they may or may not have come from pagans even as wedding rings, names of days, months, some Christian names in the Bible like Apollos and Jason also came from pagans. Persons opposed to Christmas sometimes admit that Christ was likely born about Oct 2, so why do they ignore counting back 9 months for normal conception or genetic-level birth means he was born in late December? Why insist Christmas is from the pagan Saturnalia when John 10:22-3 says Christ also celebrated the Festival of Dedication or Lights, i.e. Hannukah, which first began Dec 25 but has varied since because lunar-based? Job 1:3, 3:1-3 show Job's kids celebrated birthdays if you read all 3 verses to see day of birth is meant. At Luke 2 angels themselves celebrated Christ's birth. Santa is from Saint Nicholas, an actual red-robed Christian gift-giving elder of the Middle Ages, not a wizard or pagan god.
The word Easter may as easily be from the Anglo-Saxon word eastern (Christianity came from East of England) as from the goddess Eastre, the eggs as likely from the Jewish passover egg as from paganry, common sense saying early Christians more likely using eggs and rabbits to symbolize the hope for new life by resurrection than as vesiges of pagan fertility or sex rites! Why does any person call compromises holidays that attacked and replaced paganisms especially since Colossians 2:16 says let none judge you about a holiday or Sabbaths? Galatians 5:22 says that one of the fruits of the Holy Spirit is joy!
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Halloween........
by happy2b ini just started posting and have really enjoyed it!
i know i gave the title as halloween.
well, it's because halloween is 64 days away.
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This is in Spanish then also in English, and it will tell any JW the real truth about the holidays. Tell me if you need more on other topics at [email protected] :
"HALLOWEEN" Y OTROS DIAS DE CELEBRACION: Halloween, similar al dia de los muertos en Latinoamerica, vino de la Tarde de Todos los Santificado, es decir la tarde cuando los padres dieron la ropas a los nios para que ellos pudieron resemblar como santos para animarles a que sean mas buenos personas, los "pranks" normalmente inofensivos viniendo de Irlanda donde pueden o pudieron no haber venido de paganos incluso es correcto tocante a los anillos de bodas, nombres de los das, meses, algunos nombres cristianos en la biblia como Apollos y Jason que tambin vininieron de paganos. Las personas opuestas a la Navidad admiten a veces que Cristo probablemente fue nacido el 2 de octubre, pero porque porqu ellos no hacen caso de si una persona conta detrs 9 meses para el concepto normal o el nacimiento genetico de Jesucristo llega al ltimo de diciembre? Por qu insista Navidad es del Saturnalia pagano cuando Juan 10:22-3 dice que Cristo tambin celebr el festival del esmero o de las luces, es decir Hannukah, que a la primera vez comenz Diciembre 25 pero ha variado hasta hoy porque sta basado en el calendario lunar? Job 1:3, 3:1-3 muestra que los ninos de Job celebr cumpleaos si usted lea los tres versos para ver la fecha de nacimiento esta significado. En Lucas 2 los ngeles mismos celebraron el nacimiento de Cristo. Santa Claus es de Santo Nicholas, una anciano que donaba regalos y tuvo robas rojas y blancas durante las Edades Medias, no de un mago o dios pagano.
La palabra Pascua es Easter en ingles y su origen inglesa se puede ser tambien de la palabra anglosajona para el Oriente que es East en ingles, y el cristianismo vino del Oriente a Inglaterra. Es incorrecto decir que vino definidamente del nombre de la diosa pagana nombrado Eastre. Los huevos possiblemente vinieron del huevo judo de la Pascua (Passover en ingles) no necesario de los paganos. Los huevos y los conejos que usan durante Pascua/Easter ms probablemente fueron usado por los cristianos tempranos para simbolizar la esperanza de la nueva vida por el resurrection, con menos posibilidad que vinieron de vesiges de rites paganismos para la fertilidad o de practicas sexuales! Por qu dicen los oposadores que das de fiesta son compromisos terribles cuando de hecho atacaron y substituyeron en lugar de los paganismos, especialmente puesto que Colossenses 2:16 dice no dej ninguno juzgarle a Uds. alrededor de un da de fiesta o un sabado? Galatias 5:22 dice que uno de las frutas del Espiritu Santa es la goza.
HALLOWEEN AND OTHER HOLIDAYS: Halloween came from All Hallows (Holy Ones/Saints) Evening when parents had children dress as saints to encourage them to be good, the normally harmless pranks coming from Ireland where they may or may not have come from pagans even as wedding rings, names of days, months, some Christian names in the Bible like Apollos and Jason also came from pagans. Persons opposed to Christmas sometimes admit that Christ was likely born about Oct 2, so why do they ignore counting back 9 months for normal conception or genetic-level birth means he was born in late December? Why insist Christmas is from the pagan Saturnalia when John 10:22-3 says Christ also celebrated the Festival of Dedication or Lights, i.e. Hannukah, which first began Dec 25 but has varied since because lunar-based? Job 1:3, 3:1-3 show Job's kids celebrated birthdays if you read all 3 verses to see day of birth is meant. At Luke 2 angels themselves celebrated Christ's birth. Santa is from Saint Nicholas, an actual red-robed Christian gift-giving elder of the Middle Ages, not a wizard or pagan god.
The word Easter may as easily be from the Anglo-Saxon word eastern (Christianity came from East of England) as from the goddess Eastre, the eggs as likely from the Jewish passover egg as from paganry, common sense saying early Christians more likely using eggs and rabbits to symbolize the hope for new life by resurrection than as vesiges of pagan fertility or sex rites! Why does any person call compromises holidays that attacked and replaced paganisms especially since Colossians 2:16 says let none judge you about a holiday or Sabbaths? Galatians 5:22 says that one of the fruits of the Holy Spirit is joy!
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JW Fears
by freedom96 ini was laughing at the thread talking about the blue smurfs, how demonic they were.
:) it made me remember other stupid phobias the witnesses had, and how easy rumours were to spead around.
one for instance, was the false rumour about proctor and gamble, and how their business emblem/ picture/ whatever you call it was demonic, and how it was the sign of the devil, and to stay away from anything to do with that company.
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However there are real spying and harassment.
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Kazakhstan: Muslim Villagers Lash Out at JWs
by Rado Vleugel ina religious conflict is brewing in a small south kazakstan village whose muslim residents are increasingly angry at the recruiting methods of the jehovah's witnesses.
the villagers complain that the witnesses entice the community's children to join its ranks by offering them chocolates and sweets to attend services.
with the kidnapping of six jehovahs witnesses in the philippines, of whom two are beheaded, this is the second clash between jehovahs witnesses and muslims within a few weeks.
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The Watchtower Society appears to be pushing more recruitment even in dangerous parts of the planet as recruiting of new members is less successful in the West. More blood guilt.
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WTS Changes Media Info on DF'ing
by FreePeace ini don't know if this has already been posted (as i don't visit as much anymore).
the wts has changed the info in the faq section of their media site,
http://www.jw-media.org/beliefs/beliefsfaq.htm
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nancee park
The Watchtower Society's saying "Those who simply leave the faith are not shunned" is a lie. Those who disassociate are definitely shunned and their phrase "who simply leave the faith" entails them.
It shows that they are now on the defensive over the shunning policy especially in wake of the Silentlambs disfellowshippings. They are extremely sensitive to the newspapers like the St Petersburg one which are correctly informing the public, thus drying up new member sources.